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[Skky]

Think about it from Dathorn's perspective. If Dathorn clients were allowed to make the most of their space/bandwidth, dathorn would not be able to put nearly as many people on each server. This means that dathorn would not make as much money and thus would have to raise their prices a lot to make the same profit margins. If their prices were higher, less people would signup.

Obviously overselling is much better for us (if the server isn't overloaded), but it isn't better for Dathorn. If DIS ever offers a server with overselling, you can be sure it will cost you a lot more.

[mkraai]

Overselling is not always bad. I have recently opened an account here and didn't notice of this not overselling policy. I use my reseller account only for my sites, and I don't like the fact that I need to think about how much resources to give to each account.

If this is a big concern, you could set up one account for one of your domains in WHM, then set up your other domains as add-ons in cPanel. All those sites would then share diskspace and bandwidth.

[ChrisTech]

Think about it from Dathorn's perspective. If Dathorn clients were allowed to make the most of their space/bandwidth, dathorn would not be able to put nearly as many people on each server. This means that dathorn would not make as much money and thus would have to raise their prices a lot to make the same profit margins. If their prices were higher, less people would signup.

Obviously overselling is much better for us (if the server isn't overloaded), but it isn't better for Dathorn. If DIS ever offers a server with overselling, you can be sure it will cost you a lot more.

The point is that Dathorn doesn't oversell its OWN diskspace/bandwidth. What they have they resell. If you look at their order page, and look at the cost of the packages, vs what they get on the server, they are doing pretty darn good. Which is something I hope they continue to do.

Chris

https://www.chrispctech.com

[openbox]

The point is that Dathorn doesn't oversell its OWN diskspace/bandwidth.

I'm not so sure about that. I believe Dathorn does oversell their resources. That's how Andrew gives us the great prices that he does. Overselling doesn't always carry the negative connotation that most people who visit WHT think about. Everyone oversells, from the major telecoms to the small provider.

The point is, Andrew's business model requires him to oversell, but not his customers. That's how he makes money. It was discussed in the old forums, but to allow Dathorn customers to oversell in addition to Dathorn itself, a whole new business model would be required and the prices would rise significantly.

[kkbbzzaa]

I believe Dathorn does oversell their resources.

Oops, didn't know that! If dathorn does oversell there is no chance for us to oversell too.

If dathorn doesn't oversell; I think is fine for us to oversell.

[Jonathan]

I believe Dathorn does oversell their resources.
The point is, Andrew's business model requires him to oversell...

Really? How so ??

[AndrewT]

We do oversell a bit, though on newer/upgraded servers with the large amount of disk space and bandwidth available on them - it really amounts to nothing and in a lot of cases it just isn't oversold at all. When done correctly, overselling keeps prices down without causing problems - which is what we've been able to accomplish for the most part.

We do not have any plans to offer hosting that allows our customers to oversell at this time. If we ever do decide to do this, the prices will be a fair amount higher.

[openbox]

though on newer/upgraded servers with the large amount of disk space and bandwidth available on them - it really amounts to nothing and in a lot of cases it just isn't oversold at all.

Curious quesiton...Not oversold at all, or not oversold in the sense that the customers you have loaded on each of the boxes are "low usage" customers and therefore never come close to maxing the boxes' resources?

[AndrewT]

Curious quesiton...Not oversold at all, or not oversold in the sense that the customers you have loaded on each of the boxes are "low usage" customers and therefore never come close to maxing the boxes' resources?

Not oversold at all.

[Frank Hagan]

I'm comfortable with Dathorn overselling to US because they take so much care in watching server loads, etc. Having someone who is not "root" on the server oversell is a recipe for disaster ... having 20 hosting companies all with a varying degree of expertise involved in overselling increases the chances of something going wrong.

I thought from the beginning that Dathorn did oversell the servers, simply because no one uses 100% of the resources all the time. It only make sense to do so when you control the whole box.

The worst hosts out there are the ones that oversell, and allow their customers to oversell as well.

[AndrewT]

I actually just looked up a bit of info - every server that has been through our upgrade process (listed in our announcements forum) is UNDERsold. These servers all have plenty of room to go around, as will all other servers once they are upgraded.

Disk space and bandwidth are easy to come by, the one thing that really matters to us is actual disk I/O, CPU usage, and overall system loads. We like things to run smoothly, and that requires a system with low loads to handle everything properly.

[ChrisTech]

I actually just looked up a bit of info - every server that has been through our upgrade process (listed in our announcements forum) is UNDERsold. These servers all have plenty of room to go around, as will all other servers once they are upgraded.

Disk space and bandwidth are easy to come by, the one thing that really matters to us is actual disk I/O, CPU usage, and overall system loads. We like things to run smoothly, and that requires a system with low loads to handle everything properly.

That is what I was basing my comparisons off of. The newer servers.

The term oversold = FDC =P